Having a strange issue with Beads. Have searched this forum but not found a mention of it, and updated the firmware also, but the problem persists. Here’s a screenshot:
Trying to use Beads as a transition effect whilst I alter sequences and drop it back in. As you can see after going 100% Wet, the volume is drastically lower, and recovers over time.
Tried with manual input gain at minimum - no change. Doesn’t make sense for it to be the limiter either - the recovery is too slow.
The grain density or overlap must be high, so the output limiter applies gain reduction, and when going back to the dry level the gain reduction is still applied and takes time to recover.
I’m grateful for the limiter so I don’t damage people / things on a big system but the slow recovery is strange. Is there a workaround, or perhaps in future a release time control? It’s weird that dry is not dry.
Maybe? Or like have some chill and if you have requests for changes to firmware be more polite?
If it’s a really big issue for your use case, there are other ways around this with your patch routing. You can cross fade between your dry signal and the wet beads signal with a mixer for example.
@pichenettes is one person, all of mutable is one person. She makes herself very available to answer questions and trouble shoot here. Its modular, its all about creative patching and finding interesting solutions with the tools you have. Assuming that your use case is THE use case and therefore a module’s creator better hurry up and fix it and rather rudely telling them it “needs to get sorted!” is not going to help anyone.
Hey you’re quite right! Sorry if my comment was ill considered and maybe a little inflammatory, it was made without consideration and has made me look a bit of a tit. Didn’t mean to be a dick, my most humble apologies!
@pichenettes, given that the behaviour seems similar even with low density, is this interesting to you as a candidate for future changes or should I expect this to stay as is? I guess an external wet/dry would get me where I want to be but a bit of a pain to do in stereo.
Right, so a grain could be compressed in amplitude such that it sounds like it’s not doing the envelope shape at all? Makes sense.
I’m wondering whether a dynamic release time, related to the size control and wet level might avoid squashing the envelope, but allow faster release times when the output amplitude is low. But I don’t understand the nuts and bolts, I’m guessing.
Thanks for the info, do let me know if you tinker.
Has there been any updates on this? I think this is particularly harmful in Beat Repeat mode, where you normally want to switch between the dry signal and the repeat signal.
@pichenettes , could a solution be disabling the limiter only in beat repeat mode?
I find I have similar problems and this usually remedies them. In my use-case I would prefer if auto-gain was not the default, but rather so you turned on if you wanted. But, it’s far from being the end of the world.
